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Kenny Easwaran's avatar

I’m not convinced of the supposed reasons to discount the people that don’t exist yet. It seems to me that the reason that “resolving to have another child” is not an “adequate replacement” for saving the currently drowning child is that it’s both unlikely to work nearly as well (a currently existing child likely already has a loving family and broader support network that would be glad to make their life good, and all you need to do to activate that is a few minutes of work right now to save the child; while “resolving” to have an additional child is committing to a long future course of action that you will probably only actually do if you were likely to do so independently of this resolution, so that it’s not really an addition at all) and also for all the general reasons that we don’t think that doing one good thing “adequately replaces” doing another good thing you could equally have done (if I regularly walk past a lake that frequently has drowning children, it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to say, “eh, I don’t feel like saving this child - I’ll come back tomorrow and save the next child instead”).

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"We can instead combine the life-affirming aspects of total utilitarianism with extra weight for those who exist antecedently." I don't like that approach.

Sounds like you're advocating what I call partial weight presentism -- essentially welfare of future people gets partial weight and existing people gets full weight? [If that's not you're position, please skip to the last full paragraph "Or ...".] Here's a thought experiment that I think makes partial weight presentism look bad.

Suppose you know that next week 1 million new people will be instantaneously created in Antartica (out of thin air). To get rid of issues about fetuses/infants, assume they will begin life with the maturity of a 5 year old.* Assume that if very expensive supplies are not brought to Antartica in advance of their creation, they will die a painful death.

Do you continue to give them a fixed partial weight level (e.g. 2/3 weight) up until the exact instant they are created at which point you discontinuously switch to giving them full weight? If so, that seems like a very strange type of dynamic inconsistency. But isn't that what partial weight presentism does? Or does it change the weight gradually as their creation time approaches?

Now, to incorporate uncertainty, change the thought experiment so that there's only a 50-50 chance that they will be created --- 50% that none will be created. How much weight do you give them before they (might) exist.

Another version: 50% chance that such people will be created at the south pole, and 50% that a "different" group of people (but a similar number) will be created at the north pole. Either one or the other.

Or are you instead making a distinction between people we causally or intentionally create and people we that will be created independently of what we do? That seems a very hard distinction to maintain, but (in any case) will become really weird for reasons I could elaborate.

* If you wanna protest that's so unrealistic as to make the experiment irrelevant, we can discuss that further.

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